Defending the Vedas through Pauline Christianity

Whatever is in the Vedas is in the esoteric message of Saint Paul. Defending Pauline Christianity is more important to me than defending the Vedas because explaining Pauline Christianity to the common masses is fairly easy compared to the incomprehensible Sanskrit verses of the Vedas.

One might be wondering how is that the founder of a mono-theistic religion has any connections with a hard-polytheistic pagan religion. There is indeed a connection and the connection is the Pauline idea of Pleroma. The connection does not end with Paul's Pleroma theology but Paul's idea of election, predestination, his emphasis on spiritual resurrection over bodily resurrection, the way he said it is sown as a natural body and raised as a spiritual body, his stance on grace over faith, lawless over works of law are all welcoming to Vedic ecclesia. 

I love what Paul is preaching because the Vedic doctrines are identical with Pauline doctrines. I would back Paul on any day.

isvarah sarva-bhutanam
hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati
bhramayan sarva-bhutani
yantrarudhani mayaya (Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 18, verse 61)

TRANSLATION

The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.

Where then is boasting? when work has been given free to us. We have no free will whatsoever. Eve had no choice whatsoever whether to eat the forbidden fruit or not instead she was preordained and predestined to eat it. The Calvinists were right. Its hard for people to accept this because their very existence is at stake here, the truth is we are not this body instead we are all spirit and nothing whatever happens in this world will affect the spirit. Do not boast about what do you have and do not mourn about what you have lost because none of the things in this world are yours. You are not in control of your lives. Your future is already out there and you cannot shape your own future.

Your ego is your God who is doing all the activities, the demon of Rene Descartes who is deceiving us into believing in the existence of this world and deceiving into believing that we are acting on our own. The day you realize this you will know that you do not belong here that you are nothing but just spirit and even equal with God.

Catholicism was constructed as a defense against Marcion

What a load of shitty speculation right over there! The claim that Marcion and his followers namely the marcionites wrote the Pauline corpus is very absurd. Marcion was the man who believed that only Paul understood the true message of Christ and rejected the Old Testament and its Jewish god Jehovah completely. So for Marcion, a ship owner of Pontus to convert and arrive at the conclusion of Marcionism the Pauline Epistles must already have been in existence for him to get influenced by Paul and his teachings. Robert Price knows that this version of his view is actually a chicken and the egg problem. Marcion wrote the Pauline letters but for Marcion to get influenced in order to write the Pauline letters the Pauline corpus must have been in existent before Marcion became active.

To tackle this problem he makes an even more absurd claim that Simon Magus was actually Saint Paul of Tarsus. We cannot rely on the information of Simonism from Irenaeus because in a hurry to refute the heretics he took whatever sources that was available to him without checking there credibility and therefore his works are very unreliable. In fact the Gnostic systems which he attributed to Valentinus was not the actual system which Valentinus himself believed in instead his accusations were directed to the later modified systems of Valentinian followers like Heracleon and Ptolemy. So are the clementine homilies which cannot be trusted.

Secondly, one of the other argument of Robert Price is that there are contradictions with in the Pauline Corpus for example comparing Corinthians and Galatians where Paul says that he received his wisdom of Christ while talking with the elders of Jerusalem and on the other hand in Galatians he says that his teachings were mainly derived from his personal revelations of divine and not taught by any human or angel. Robert Price thinks that such contradictions shouldn't be there in a corpus if it was claimed to be written by only one man so he concludes that Marcion wrote Galatians.

What I believe is that instead of Marcion writing Galatians it is more likely that the sentinels of the Catholic church edited Corinthians to make it appear more mainstream and made it leaning towards their own dogmatic beliefs. Suppressing the truth that the relationship between Paul and the church at Jeruasalem was not smooth and suppressing the portrayal of a zeolot anti-Semitic Paul who used to accuse them straight on their faces.

The last idea of Paul being Simon Magus is ridiculous because:

• Paul was a tent maker while Simon was a sorcerer.
• Paul was born and brought up in Tarsus while Simon was from Gitta, a village in Samaria.
• Paul loved the Gentiles and his mission was directed towards the Gentiles but we have no evidence to prove that Simon had any interests in converting and persuading the Gentiles to the ministry of Jesus. Paul's division of teaching one thing to the Jews and another to the Gentiles appears as early as in Romans.
• Paul displayed sensitivity towards a wide range of complex issues but Simon lacked any such sensitivity.
• It was Saul who was under the tutelage of the great Gamaliel and not Simon.
• It was Saul who was struck blind fold on his road to Damascus and not Simon.
• It was Paul who held a Roman citizenship and could fluently read and write Greek and not Simon.

Marcion may have indeed been the first person to collect the different Pauline letters and showed the value of them to the world and his polemic indeed triggered his rivals to establish a different canon of their own by editing and adding verses and by forging new Gospels in the name of Paul which suited to their own agendas. Well if not Marcion I am damn sure Valentinians would have collected and compiled the Pauline Corpus irrespective of whether Marcion collected it or not because no one on earth loved Paul so much other than the Valentinians. Even the Gospel of John has gone through a series of successive editions before making it to the biblical canon of the Catholics because there are many verses in them which are offensive to the Gnostics and equally there are anti-Semitic verses in it which goes to the extreme supporting Gnosticism in full force. All this shows that the New Testament as we have today is not the same version as people saw it two thousand years ago.

The real historical Paul was never really like the Paul of the Catholics as we know today. He was a zealot anti-Semite and more of a Valentinian than a Catholic.

As a Gentile, I have a huge respect for Saint Paul

I am a Gentile, a non-Jew, a follower of Helios-Mithras. Why would a hard polythiestic like me would revere and honor the promoter of a monotheistic religion? There is one man who stands in between preventing a bloody war between the Pagans (a pejorative word used by Christians against us)  and the Christians and that man is Saint Paul of Tarsus. I don't think I would ever love Christ and Christianity if not for Saint Paul. If I ever love Christianity it is only because of Paul and his Pauline letters.

Why do I love Paul and revere him so much? Is it because he was the Apostle to the Gentiles and understood us much better than anyone else? No. Is it because he favored us over the Jews or do I love him because of his anti-Semitism? No. Is it because he amalgamated the doctrine of pagan mystery religions into Christianity? No. 

Paul's main concerns and his main beliefs clearly shows out in the Colossian heresy, on the Divinization of Christ. The Colossian heretics insisted that only a part of the divinity was in Christ and involved themselves in the "worship of angels" and were trying to ascend to the heavens of these angels and finally to Christ. Paul on the other hand slams such a doctrine and teaches them that there is no need to "worship the angels" as all the angels or divine powers resided in Christ in bodily form.

This might have been the revelation that Paul received on his road to Damascus, the truth that "In Christ dwells all the pleroma of the deity in bodily form." (Colossians 2:9). This is exactly the revelation Valentinus received after a century or so, "It was quite amazing that the Aeons were in the Father and were able to emanate in as much as they were not able to perceive and recognize the one in whom they were." (Gospel of Truth)

This form of worship where you worship the divinity as a whole is called the samashti swaroopa of Vedic worship also called as Akhand Upasana. It is this knowledge of Paul and Valentinus which is mentally disturbing for me and the reason why I revere them so much.

It is only through revelation that such an esoteric doctrine can be obtained not just through mere copying from other pagan mystery religions and the way Paul vehemently defended and fanatically preached such a doctrine even to the point of martyrdom says something about the confidence which Paul and Valentinus had on their doctrines. Was Christ the heavenly counterpart to the earthly Jesus might have been originally sent by Savitr, the Holy Father of the Vedic Aryans? Why would the magi from the east who worshiped Mithras bring gifts to a Jewish messiah while he was still an young boy? All this only makes perfect sense if we take the Valentinian, 'Fall of Sophia' myth quite seriously.

Roman Catholic - The most embarrassed church

Roman Catholic church is neither established on the principles of Jesus Christ nor it adheres to the teachings of Saint Paul of Tarsus instead it seems to be a political organization to control the masses into believing that only they have the sole authority over the God's power on earth and they are the only sole way to attain human salvation.

No wonder why they murdered and silenced the Gnostics because their gnosis of the Father was a huge threat to their whole agenda. If people knew that human salvation can be attained through revelation and by doing sacraments alone then the power of Church on earth would become mute.

What is Gospel of John and the Pauline Epistles doing in the biblical canon of the Catholics?

This is the biggest embarrassment to the Roman Catholic Church and no wonder why they go mum by not answering this question or react to it strongly and aggressively towards those who raise this topic.

The simple truth is that neither the Gospel of John nor the Pauline Epistles is in accordance with the apostolic creed of the Catholics as these below sources show.

Gnostic enigmas in the Gospel of John
Gospel of John
Gnostic exegesis of Pauline Letters

A big embarrassment to the members of the Nicene creed, the councils of the Roman Catholic Church and to Irenaeus and Tertullian who failed to differentiate between those Gospels which were the true words of God from the rest.

Either their apostolic creed is fundamentally flawed or they have included the wrong Gospels as part of their biblical canon. A small revision to exclude the fourth Gospel and the Pauline corpus from their biblical canon and sticking their heads only onto the Synoptic Gospels and the Book of Revelation would make more sense to their arrogant religion rather than falsely believing that Gospel of John and Saint Paul of Tarsus is on their side.

Otherwise it really makes a mockery of their apostolic creed and the whole world is laughing at their mode of denial.

Saint Paul on idolatry and heathen practises

Many Christians who live in pagan dominated countries like India face the dilemma of whether to participate in the festivals of heathens or not and whether to eat the food sacrificed to pagan gods or not. We were celebrating a heathen festival in our office and doing idol worship. I specifically looked around to check whether my Christian colleague was participating with us in the ritual and found myself that he was indeed present along with us participating with our ritual, worshipped the idol and ate the food sacrificed to the pagan god.

On the way back to upstairs I was waiting for him and asked him politely by placing my arm around his shoulders, "Can you worship a pagan god?" and he said confusingly by nodding his head, "No, this is the first time I am worshipping one" and he looked pretty tensed and upset about it. I went and searched what the Bible had to say about this and found that Saint Paul in his letter to Corinthians has specifically discussed about this topic.

1 Corinthians 8 New International Version (NIV)

Concerning Food Sacrificed to Idols

8 Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. But whoever loves God is known by God.

So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols? So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge.When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall.

 

I am not a big fan of idol worship and our Vedic rishis didn't do idol worship. Idolatry was introduced by the later Hindus which comes under the Agama shastras. The great doctor of the church Saint Paul was right when he said, "flee from idolatry" and in 1 Corinthians chapter 8 he discusses about this topic in detail.

I am a Valentinian Christian and we interpret the Pauline letters esoterically than how most orthodox Christians generally would interpret it. The teachings in the unforged Pauline letters can be differentiated to have been given to two classes of Christians mainly psychic Christians and pneumatic Christians.

When the great Saint Paul says ".....yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." he is making a soteriological differentiation between the psychic Christians who rely on blind faith and the pneumatic Christians who rely on the gnosis of the Father.

We maintain that there is one psychic Christ who is the son of the Demiurge in the kenomic world and there is an another pneumatic Christ who is the son of the unknown Father in the pleromic world. The psychic Christ is the one whom the psychic Christians rely upon for their salvation which is based on blind faith and they feared and understood the Lord Jesus Christ in this way and finally they too will be redeemed at the end of the world and enter the Pleroma. On the other end the pneumatic Christ is the one whom the pneumatic Christians rely upon who are redeemed here and now through the grace of gnosis of the unknowable Father. When one interprets Saint Paul's teachings in this way the Pauline letters makes perfect sense. God, the Father and his son the pneumatic Christ represent the pneumatic Christians and Demiurge and his son the Lord, Jesus Christ represent the psychic Christians. All the genuine Pauline letters has to be interpreted in this way. 

Then the apostle Saint Paul goes on to say, "But not everyone possesses this knowledge." which clearly shows that there was secret knowledge or gnosis known only to an initiated few Christians despite orthodox Christians denying that such knowledge existed.

I advised my colleague to read 1 Corinthians Chapter 8 and 10 which says, "Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do." and Saint Paul clears all the doubts and confusion among fellow Christians here. Amen!